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13th February 2008

Todays ramblings
Good Morning.

Sorry it's late Betfair being down this morning has put me miles behind this morning.

I had a few replies about the way you bet that I talked about yesterday. Here is the first.

"In reply to your request for info on betting if still in profit etc. First a cautionary tale. Some time ago now I was just watching a tipster on site and monitoring their strike rate etc. I will say though that the selections were as high as 30 on Betfair. They also gave quite a few (basically they went through the card)

I decided to join for the 14 day trial and went at it with just £10 stakes and in one week had wiped my bank. Needless to say I continued to bet whilst in profit to get the max amount I could ( even us "experienced" layers can go off the rails) thinking I would get back any losses. Didn't happen. As this tipster was offering selections up to 30 which they said was their cut off point I sometimes wonder if i should have used them on the place market instead. Needless to say No more selections from then from now on, not going to happen so a moot point really.

It took a long time to re-build my bank. Now I have just one winning lay and stop for the day. Though the temptation will be still there to go for the next winning loser to get more profit discipline is the KEY to this game without it anyone contemplating trying to earn a living at it will fail eventually.

I now try to judge what profit level I want and then re calculate the percentage for next week. Example I make £100 per day minus the Comm rate of 5% for 5 days = £475. I then take out £200 for living expenses leaving £275 for the bank and to continue the investment.

Re calc the bank at 3% = £8.25 added to the original stake of £100. making the next weeks stake £108. I tend to calculate the bank after each win or loss and adjust accordingly. Now i only go for the first and second favourites mainly due to the low prices on offer as if the selection wins then there is not too much damage to the bank. Re-Calculating the 3% sometimes means the next stake is only down by maybe a pound or two. I also use ratings etc to gain the advantage. Just keeping now to the one a day and using the above percentage it is surprising that the stakes can reach the hundreds per day

The best site currently for this is

The Chinese have a saying "drop by drop the pitcher is filled" in other words don't be hasty,take your time and you will get there in the end.

Have a great days racing

Kind Regards
Graeme "

Thanks Graeme.

From Darren at the Betting School.

With laying being the favourite method of a lot of punters these days there are a lot of simple systems being sold for layers. A lot of these systems charge a lot of money only to tell you to lay the 2nd or 3rd favourite. Which can be disappointing to say the least.

When testing a lay system for say 3rd favourites you do need to check a lot of data to be very sure that what you're doing is profitable. It doesn't take much of a run of losing bets to make a big dent in your bank, especially when you're laying at 8.0 or 9.0.

However having done a lot of research in recent months I am confident that there is profit to be had from these systems or more likely a refinement of them.

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Guest: Adrian's Expected Winners
Results December and January.

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Just keep an eye on them and see what you think.

Guest: Gary's Greyhound lays not over 8.00
Theres only one full selection today which is:

Perry Barr - 11.11 - Trap 2 U/P 7.0 (MAL - I got 7.5)
Nottingham - 11.19 - Trap 6 2nd 5.5 (MAL - I got 5.5)
Perry Barr - 12.12 - Trap 1 5th 8.00 (MAL - I didn't get mactched)
Nottingham - 12.18 - Trap 4 U/P 8.0 (MAL - I got 7.9)
Nottingham - 13.19 - Trap 1 U/P 8.0 (MAL - I didn't get mactched)

Newcastle - 11.28 - Trap 2
Newcastle - 11.42 - Trap 2 - (Only take if either decent price or there is a clear Favorite)
Newcastle - 12.27 - Trap 6 - (Only take if either decent price or there is a clear Favorite)
Newcastle - 13.44 - Trap 6 - (Only take if either decent price or there is a clear Favorite)

As always i suggest you don't lay over 8.

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Roy's Naps

Selection 1: 4.30 Leicester Bathwick Shannon - (Nap) Lay
Selection 2: 1.40 Lingfield Samuel Charles Place
Selection 3: 4.40 Lingfield Highland Harvest Place
Selection 4: 6.50 Kempton Danetime Lord Place

Roy's Naps

Malcolm's Selections
Best Lay of the Day
Sorry no nap

Today: 14.50 Muss, Pencil House

Please Note: The lay betting system is actually 4 systems in 1 and I will choose one of the selections for this tip.

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The Lay Betting SystemAdvantages of owning the system:

1) Pick more than one race a day
2) Make a selection later in the day (normally more choices)
3) Password protected forum so you can talk to other owners.
4) UK or IRE races
5) Bonus Systems and regular updates.
6) Now on V4
7) 3 systems, 1 for flat 2 for Jump/Chase
8) Owners get free updates
9) Now includes Lay Place System.
10) Now includes AW System
11) Now includes the Investment System
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Place System: Started 20-11-2006

This is a Betting Exchange only place system, you can see the results so far here. Prices are a snapshot from the morning between 8 -9. 3 Place 8 runner races only.
Points since we started + 51.62
Points new system (30/07/07) + 13.69

16:10, Newcastle, Trisons Star EP 2.06 1st
16:30, Folkestone, Dead-Eyed Dick, EP 3.1 4th

15:20, Musselburgh, Danish Rebel, EP 2.76
16:10, Lingfield, Danish Rebel, Jemiliah, EP 2.76 (*)

(*) No bet under new system idea


Lay test system (or maybe back)
Started (again) 15/01/2008. We are testing to see if we have a good lay system or back. £10 stakes. Please remember this is a test and a bit of fun to find out if this selection system works better as a lay or back system.

Lay + £20.30 (after 5% commision)
Back -£28.57(after 5% commision)

13:30, Folk, Aux Le Bahnn EP 2.3 2nd 4/5

15:50 Muss, Halla San EP 1.92

Remember this is just a test and we are paper testing laying these selections.

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