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13th March 2008

Todays ramblings
Good Morning.

I mentioned yesterday we have found a possible link in the losers we had with the new lay system we have been trying.

Looking over the other months it is the same story as January where we lose about 20 bets, so we have decided to include the new filter and delete all those races. It would have a dent in our overall profit but we think eliminating as many losers as possible is more important especially when we are laying at these higher prices.

The thing to do now is continue testing and see what happens.

David had his stop at a winner on Startcross yesterday and because the odds were so low we managed to get back into profit with a win of £12.00.

We have another colleague who has been following these selections as well and he is doing the same as David (stopping at a winner) but he has added some more filters like number of runners, price and type of race, but he has been as successful as David, I am the one who has suffered with the two losers so I am hoping that will change now with the new filter.

1.40 Hunt: Booster Divin EP 170 (no match) 5th 66/1
1.50 South: Dasheena 10.50 (3 non runners over 30% reduction) 3rd 15/2
2.25 South: Starcross Maid 9.2 (I got 6.00 before the off)
9.20 Wolv: Castle Frome 20 4th 8/1 (I got 15.00)

Sorry I closed down the bot before I got a screen shot.

2.30 Hex: Patxaran 22
5.05 South: Pentathlon 6.2
5.40 South: Elusive Warrior 34

Pot 1 now stands at £15.47

From Darren at the Betting School.

Are you using the new Betfair features? It's been a while now since Betfair introduced their Starting Price feature and the ability to carry your bets over into play.

Most punters will have ignored these features and carried on betting in the same way that they always did. At Betting School however we are on the case with a suite of methods for profiting from these new features.

In this months issue Betfair Accredited Trainer and Author Jonathon Burgess outlines his system for betting front runners with the carry over bets to in play feature.

In a nutshell the system involves identifying those horses that will run prominently and setting up a bet before the off and then having a matching trade bet carried into play. This results in many all green positions.
To do this for yourself just follow these steps.

1. Identify a likely front runner
2. Place a back bet at the best price you can before the off
3. Place a lay bet at achievable in play odds and select the carry bet in play feature

Of course Jonathon goes into more detail with optimum prices and selection criteria but these basic steps should be enough for you to make some quick profits.

For a free sample copy of the Betting School Insiders report please visit

Or you could use GHB to do it automatically for you!

Yesterday I mentioned I was looking at a new Greyhound Lay system I had come up with.

I didn't get chance to run these on a bot yesterday to see what the prices were like on betfair. So I will try again today.

I didn't like the look of the two winners together, that's the first time I had seen that.
11:42, Newc, Darkas Hondo 3rd 6/1
12:47, HGrn, Tales 4th 7/2
13:04, HGrn, Proper Gear 6th 7/4
13:44, Newc, Pilgrims Silver ( i can not get a result for this race)
14:42, Hove, Cushie Samantha 1st 5/2
15:44, Hove, Stamford Bridge 1st 3/1

Here are today's
11:11, Sheff, Stepaside Ice
12:04, Sund, Media Mia
14:03, Sheff, Zigzag Flash
14:08, Sund, Hollin Keira
14:08, Sund, Sangreal
14:18, Sheff, Stepaside Swift
15:38, Crayfd, Winner Wisdom
15:58, Romfd, Clounamon Cheeko

Please remember this is a new test and there are no rules yet.

Guest Selection
I have a couple of guest selections lined up for you.
The first is from "Wrightyoh"

"After reading and studying numerous laying guides and ideas I have come up with a system using the racing post forecast favourites. In a nutshell this is done by comparing the forecast favourite with the other runners and trying to find at least two other runners that have a good chance of beating the forecast favourite. I am not just looking at negative factors for the favourite but comparing these factors against the other runners. The races I select need to have 7 runners or more for the sake of probability and are usually hcps. "

Wrightyoh is testing two systems but there won't always be a selection on both systems.
Sys 1.
16.15 Hunt, Rebel Melody EP 3.05 7th 13/8
Sys 2
No Bet

Sys 1
No Bet
Sys 2
18.50 Wolves, Grizebeck EP 4.10
20.50 Wolves Si Belle EP 4.40
Remember these are "Lay" selections.

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Comments for today: Plenty of runners but hard to make a case for more than a few. The still potentially well-treated WIZARD LOOKING landed some decent bets on his recent reappearance but whether he will be so well suited by this slower surface is open to doubt. Speagle is an obvious alternative but Bethanys Boy is just at home here and can make amends for last months unfortunate defeat.

Nap (Lay)
Selection 1: Southwell 14:40 WIZARD LOOKING

Stop at a Winner (lay)
Selection 1: Hexham 15:05 LE ROI ROUGE


Malcolm's Selections
Best Lay of the Day
14.50 Hunt, Ballyvaden 3rd 15/8

Today: Sorry no nap today.

Please Note: The lay betting system is actually 4 systems in 1 and I will choose one of the selections for this tip.

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Place System: Started 20-11-2006

This is a Betting Exchange only place system, you can see the results so far here. Prices are a snapshot from the morning between 8 -9. 3 Place 8 runner races only.
Points since we started + 75.72
Points new system (30/07/07) + 34.8

16:55, Huntingdon, Sunisa, EP2.38 1st but 4 NR's price would have been very low
20:20, Wolverhampton, Watchmaker, EP 2.86 (*) 3rd

15:05, Hexham, Nelson Du Ronceray, EP 2.52 (*)
15:15, Southwell Outlook, EP 2.74 (*)

(*) No bet under new system idea


Back test system
Started 13/12/2007. We orginally tested this as a "lay" system but I felt the results were better suited to a "Back" system and so that is how we are now testing it.
£10 stakes.

Level Stakes
£36.81(after 5% commision) Started 25/01/2008
Using a staking plan similar to CashMaster, started 11/3/2008 after a win on the 10/11/2008.
Bank £0.00

No Selection

14:20, Chel, Tamarinbleu EP 4.1 ( I am not sure I like using Cheltenham selections)

Remember this is just a test and we are paper testing laying these selections.

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