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24th April 2007

Todays ramblings
Good Morning.

Trading using 7 ticks didn't go very well yesterday but I think that was partly my fault because I had more than one Grey Hound bot using the same account and on many of the same races. That's what happens when you spend a lot of time testing software?

Anyway I am going to give it another go today because we made some improvements to the bot over night so I am hoping that trading will be even better now.

As you know I find trading an interesting subject (I have been going on about it enough), but making money from it is not as easy as some people and e-books make out.

Many of the e-books I have read try to make it sound very easy but manually I think it can be extremely difficult and I should know as I have tried most of the systems myself.

The first place most people struggle with is profit. Our old friend greed comes in again and this just doesn't work with trading. Profit is Profit and if you can green it then do so and move on.

The other thing that can get you is not knowing the math, if you are trading manually then you have to be able to work out your next move quickly.

I will admit I gave up ages ago manually trading, there is no point now especially when there are so many products that will allow you to one click a trade and green up for you automatically.

Of course bots bring with them their own problems, they normally require a steep learning curve, many have options that seem to need you to be a brain surgeon to understand and others just don't do what they are supposed to.

But they are useful and I will spend some time talking about some of them over the next few days, starting tomorrow with Bet-Pal.

2. Guest Selection - 19-04-2007
I have been receiving some win tips from a good friend of mine called Shaun.

There are two selections Best and Next best. You can look at best only or follow both. Shaun suggest that you aim to make 5% of your bank a day and he chases any losses onto the next selection.

I am going to start with a £500 bank.
What you do then is take 5% of your bank, in this case £25.00 and then divide it by the available odds and that's your stake.
So if the odds were 2/1 then I would divide £25 by 2 making a £21.50 stake.
If I then lost I would take the £25 already lost and add it to my next stake that is again 5% of my bank and then divide this new figure by the available odds.

Let's see what happens.
Bank = £579.64
Lost - 18.33 ( 550 X 5% = 27.50 / 1.5 (6/4) Bank now 531.67
18.33 + 26.58 (5% of bank) Normally these selections are not odds on but this one is. You have the choice to put on just your loss and stake and take a smaller percentage winning for the day, or put your stake up.
18.33 + 26.58 (5% of bank) / 0.66 (4/6) = 68
I am just going to stick to the normal stake + losses so we would have made:
18.33 + 26.58 (5% of bank) / 0.66 29.64 on the day.

Here are todays.(Don't forget win bets)
5:00 FOLKESTONE JUST JULIE (next best)
6:05 BATH MILLACHY   (best bet)

3. Place System (win Bet) - Started 20-11-2006
This is a Betting Exchange only place system, you can see the results so far here. Prices are a snapshot from the morning between 8 -9. 3 Place 8 runner races only.
Points since we started + 16.47

No Selections

20.05 Bath, Kyllachy Storm EP 3.15
15.15 Folkestone, Malapropism EP 2.42
16.25 Folkstone, Dream Mountain EP 2.4
17.25 Southwell, Rare Coincidence EP 2.08

4. Miracle System (win Bet)
Normal: 18:55, Windsor, Gyroscope 1st 5/6
Pts 2007: - 1.12
Top Choice: 15:00 Hexham, Poker De Sivola 100pts 1st 10/11
Pts 2007: -2.72
Bank = 704.89pts

Normal: 18:50 Towcester, La Grande Villez
Top Choice: 18:50, Towcester, La Grande Villez 50pts

(we are trying an experiment with the Top Choice selection and the points are based on where we are in the staking plan. 50pts is the level stakes bet and we started with a 500pts bank on the 11/04/2007)
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6. "Best Lay of the Day" - Lay Betting System Bet
3.30  Hex  Mister Magnum 7th 11/4

Today: 4.15 South,  Shot To Fame

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6) Now on V4
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7. Today's sponsor tip

Selection 1: 2.00 Sout - Howards Tripple 1Pts
Selection 2: 2.30 Sout - Top Rocker 1Pts
Selection 3: 2.55 Wolv - Fuel Cell 1Pts
Selection 4: 3.40 Sout - Mystified 1Pts
Selection 5: 7.05 Bath - Todlea 1Pts
Selections 6: 7.20 Towc - Peppershot 1Pts

Split your bank by 88.


8. Greyhound Selections- Lay System started 07/11/2006.

After playing around with selections I have decided that for the time being this is going to be a lay only test. I think I have worked out a system that will give us quite good prices but I suspect there will have to be a maximum lay price set. I am just not sure what that will be but I am testing between 2.00 and 7.00. I will make every effort to record betfair lay prices as well. The ones marked with an asterisks (*) are from the original and tighter system, I am not using these now.
Udate. I am now stopping at the first winner and changing my stop loss to £16.00 although I think this may be to high and we should also stop at the first loser and call it a day. Only time will tell.

Yesterday:  (Friday)
Sheffield BAGS, 11.11, Dynamite John, 6 2nd 4/1
Swindon BAGS, 12.04, Radiant Lady, 4(*)  1st 6/1- LOST
Sheffield BAGS, 12.12, Giancarnacambino, 6(*)  2nd 5/2
Swindon BAGS, 12.18, Day Seven, 4 5th 4/1
Sheffield BAGS, 12.42, Desert Lisa, 5(*)  3rd 7/2
Swindon BAGS, 13.33, Talavara Jack, 1(*)  4th 6/1
Swindon BAGS, 13.51, Thrice Engaged, 4 4th 3/1
Sheffield BAGS, 14.03, Stormy Jacko, 6(*)  2nd 5/2
Monmore BAGS, 14.08, Clohur Blonde, 4 3rd 5/1
Monmore BAGS, 14.47, Mineola Key, 2  6th 6/1
Walthamstow BAGS, 18.04, Appletown Drogba, 6 4th 8/1
Nottingham BAGS, 18.28, Romeokee, 1 1st 4/1- LOST
Nottingham BAGS, 18.48, Larkhill Ridge, 2(*) 3rd 11/4
Nottingham BAGS, 19.06, Wentworth Which, 1(*) 2nd 5/1
Romford BAGS, 19.11, Duchess Sally, 1 6th 7/1
Romford BAGS, 19.42, Droopys Titmuss, 2 6th 4/1
Nottingham BAGS, 20.07, Take Your Point, 1  2nd 7/2
Nottingham BAGS, 20.22, Benjey, 4 6th 8/1
Romford BAGS, 20.43, Cheeky Courtney, 4  4th 7/2
Nottingham BAGS, 20.51, Tonetta Kewell, 5(*)  2nd 8/1
20 selections 2 lost (screen shot)

Here are today's.
Nottingham BAGS, 11.19, Schofield Niamh, 1
Perry Barr BAGS, 11.42, Breens Best, 6
Nottingham BAGS, 11.48, Fatima Lucia Two, 5(*)
Perry Barr BAGS, 12.27, Myra Pick, 5
Perry Barr BAGS, 12.42, Castlebrook Lad, 2
Perry Barr BAGS, 13.12, Trumpers Basil, 1
Nottingham BAGS, 13.33, Beechwood Voodoo, 4
Perry Barr BAGS, 13.44, Monkspath Evie, 5(*)
Nottingham BAGS, 13.51, Yort, 4
Perry Barr BAGS, 14.03, Cons Model, 3
Crayford BAGS, 14.08, Saffron Melv, 2(*)
Sunderland BAGS, 14.18, Raparee Lark, 5
Crayford BAGS, 14.47, Carden Club, 5
Sunderland BAGS, 15.58, Crafty Zero, 4
Crayford BAGS, 16.08, Garton Smokey, 3
Crayford BAGS, 16.27, Kalashnikov, 6
Sunderland BAGS, 16.57, Axel Lad, 2
Sunderland BAGS, 17.17, Barnham Star, 5
Crayford BAGS, 17.44, Leahs Lovelyeyes, 6
Sheffield BAGS, 18.56, Billys Rebel, 5
Sheffield BAGS, 19.11, Brosnas Image, 6
Newcastle BAGS, 19.22, Music Central, 6(*)
Sheffield BAGS, 20.13, Alchemist Wish, 3(*)
Newcastle BAGS, 21.07, Mill Abby, 5
Download the session.xml here (normally available by 10am mon-Fri)

Normal daily settings.
Stake 2.00
Stop Win: 2.00
Stop Loss: 16.00

I set the Grey Horse bot price range from 1 -7.

9. Millionaire's Row - Win Selections started 13/11/2006

This is a win system (test) that me and a friend have been working on for some time. Just so you know I let him select every morning so although we created the system together he is the one really refining it. Click Here to see the results so far.
You can now get these selections Saturday by signing up here:

Daily Double
2.50 Plum: Grouse Moor 1st 4/6 /Sett Aside 2nd 9/2
Points -10.91

Daily Back Nap: (stared 15/02/2007)
No Qualifier
Points -1.78

Double Take (started 22/03/2007) (£6.00 on the lay £4.00 on the back)
No Qualifier
Back =
Lay =
Winnings to date = £6.45

Millionaire Double Selection.
5.30 Folk: Letham Island/Doubly Guest

Millionaire Daily Nap
6.50 Towc: La Grande Villez

Millionaire Double Take: 40pts Win /60pts Lay 2nd Favourite
6.50 Towc: 
Back:  La Grande Villez EP 1.23
Lay:  Barton Belle EP 11

The idea is to to back the favourite and lay the second best priced horse before the off.
We are hoping that most of the time the lay should not change but if it does then it is always the best priced horse (lay side) after the favourite.
Our stake will be £10 split 4.00 on the back and 6.00 on the lay. Of course you could do this how you want but we suggest you put slightly more on the lay to cover any loses on the back bet because we feel the lay will lose far less often.

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Have a good days racing.


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