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17th April 2007

Todays ramblings
Good Morning.

Don't you just hate the smell of paint?
It seems to seep into everything for a while.

I have been taking about the Grey Horse bot on and off for the last few weeks and the new trading option we have added so I thought I would mention them again especially as we have also been talking about Football Revolution which is also basically a trading system.

Yesterday during testing I played around with some settings before the days racing and got this.

Yeah I know it wasn't a lot of money but I was quite impressed with 7 out 7 automated trades, totally hands off.

I set the Grey Horse bot up to bet on favourites between a certain price range and then to trade out at just 5 small ticks. I am going to try that one again today.

There are lots of ways you can trade but I tend to break them down in to 3 main groups.

1. Pure trading. This is where you watch an event and trade based on prices, volume and many other factors.

2. Risk Trading. This where based on a system or idea you back or lay on a market hoping that it will move your way to allow you to trade out and "green light" for profit.

3. Incidental or opportunity trading. This is where you may have made a bet and then you see the price move in your favour and so trade out some or all of your originally bet to lock in profit or lessen your exposure.

Number 1 is probably the most difficult to learn and certainly needs for you to invest a lot of time in the fundamentals that you will need to learn to become successful. When ever I get chance I do try to increase my knowledge of this type of trading but at the moment my focus is in areas 2 and 3.

I suspect most of the people reading this email will make most of their trades from 2 and 3, I know I do. The auto trading I did yesterday was from 2 because the bot placed a lay bet and then waited until it could trade out on the back side. If it hadn't of been able to then my winnings or losses would have be down to the outcome of the race.

When you are trading from 2 then I think that you have to be more conservative with how much you can take, where as if you have are trading from 1 or 3 you can probably look to lock in more profit.

The latest version of the Grey Horse bot will certainly let you trade from 2 or 3, but 1. needs a specialist bot like.

This is one of the longer beta test we have had but the trading part of V1.0.2.2 has needed a lot of testing. I will be very pleased once it out on general release though because we are waiting to add another quite substantial upgrade to the bot, in the next version.

We are attempting to open the Grey Horse Bot up to many of the football markets as well, which should allow us to trade using many of the popular systems mostly automated..

So as you can imagine I am quite excited about this but we want to make sure V1.0.2.2 is working as it should, before we start on that upgrade.

2. Guest Selection - started 23-10-2006
These are lay test selections from Thomas.

HiPro86 - do not lay above 9.0 at Betfairs layside

Results of yesterdays (16-04-2007) selections:

Weth 1525 - Wot Way Chief - 1st - SP 5/1(Fav) - Betfair 7.0 - lost
Wind 1540 - Silver Blue - 12th - SP 12/1 - no bet
Wolv 1655 - Penang Cinta - 1st - SP 2/1(Fav) - Betfair 3.15 - lost

win/place selections
Wolv 1515 - Samuel Charles - 2nd - SP 11/2 - Betfair 2.62place - WON +2.24
Weth 1705 - Spring Margot - 3rd - SP 15/8 - lost -3

here are todays selections:

HiPro86 - do not lay above 9.0 at Betfairs layside

Warw 1500 - Catshow
Nott 1520 - Willow Dancer
Nott 1550 - Zahour Al Yasmeen
Warw 1700 - Madaarek

Win/Place selections - 1pt for Win and 2pts to Place (total outlay = 3pts)

Exet 1540 - Alina Rheinberg
Exet 1640 - Tsar's Twist

The concept is to always place 1 point to WIN and 2 points to PLACE on the same horse. So, there is a risk of always 3 points if the horse does not place at least.

Thomas is recording all Betfair prices 30 sec before the off.

3. Place System (win Bet) - Started 20-11-2006
This is a Betting Exchange only place system, you can see the results so far here. Prices are a snapshot from the morning between 8 -9. 3 Place 8 runner races only.
Points since we started + 13.27

16.00 Wetherby, Trading Trouble Ep 2.15 1st

14.20 Nottngham, Al Muheer EP 2.52
14.30 Warwick, Piece Of My Heart EP 2.18
14.40 Exeter, Indigo Sky EP 2.2
15.30 Warwick,  Best Of Gold EP 2.42
15.40 Exeter,  Red Society EP 2.1
16.20 Nottingham, Officer EP 2.12
16.40 Exeter,  Bite Un Fight EP 3.6
17.00 Warwick, Homes By Woodford EP 2.56

4. Miracle System (win Bet)
Normal: 14.40 Wolverhampton, Magic Armour 3rd 5/6
Pts 2007: - 2.49
Top Choice: 16.35 Wetherby, Brave Rebellion 150 pts 1st 1/3
Pts 2007: -3.44
Bank = 449.99pts

Normal: 15:00, Warwick, Spanish Ace
Top Choice: 15:20, Nottingham, Transcend 150pts

(we are trying an experiment with the Top Choice selection and the points are based on where we are in the staking plan. 50pts is the level stakes bet and we started with a 500pts bank on the 11/04/2007)
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6. "Best Lay of the Day" - Lay Betting System Bet
17.35 Wethereby, Neptune Joly  5th 7/2

Today: 16.50 Nottingham, Crisey Brook

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7. Today's sponsor tip
Nags to Riches

Same for both.

Normal Selection
17:00 Warwick, Dan Tucker

New Selection
17:00 Warwick, Dan Tucker

Nags to Rches

8. Greyhound Selections- Lay System started 07/11/2006.

After playing around with selections I have decided that for the time being this is going to be a lay only test. I think I have worked out a system that will give us quite good prices but I suspect there will have to be a maximum lay price set. I am just not sure what that will be but I am testing between 2.00 and 7.00. I will make every effort to record betfair lay prices as well. The ones marked with an asterisks (*) are from the original and tighter system, I am not using these now.
Udate. I am now stopping at the first winner and changing my stop loss to £16.00 although I think this may be to high and we should also stop at the first loser and call it a day. Only time will tell.

Swindon BAGS, 11.03, Mountgale Gamble, 5 1st 5/2- LOST
Swindon BAGS, 11.19, Fancy Jewel, 1 1st 4/1 - LOST
Sheffield BAGS, 11.42, Wellow Whisper, 3 Replaced 6th 7/1
Swindon BAGS, 12.47, Delius Venus, 2 4th 4/1
Swindon BAGS, 13.19, Talavara Jack, 1(*) 4th 4/1
Walthamstow BAGS, 14.18, Cunning Darby, 2 5th 7/2
Monmore BAGS, 14.27, Droopys Ben, 3 3rd 11/4
Monmore BAGS, 14.47, Vineyard Haven, 5 6th 4/1
Walthamstow BAGS, 14.57, Ragga Diva, 4(*) 4th 3/1
Monmore BAGS, 15.28, Goldliner Flash, 1 1st 3/1- LOST
Monmore BAGS, 16.27, Kingdom Rock, 3 2d 9/2
Walthamstow BAGS, 16.57, Adamant Laser, 5 1st 2/1- LOST
Walthamstow BAGS, 17.17, Droopys Deano, 2 6th 3/1
Walthamstow BAGS, 17.33, Drifting Light, 3 1st 9/4- LOST
Walthamstow BAGS, 18.18, Blue Screamer, 4 4th 7/2
Romford BAGS, 19.11, Galadriel, 6 4th 3/1
Romford BAGS, 19.26, Chomba Womba, 3 6th 2/1
Nottingham BAGS, 19.52, Beechwood Smugla, 5 5th 3/1
Romford BAGS, 19.58, Spitfire Dan, 5(*)  1st 3/1- LOST
Nottingham BAGS, 20.07, Head It On Harry, 3 2nd 7/4
Romford BAGS, 20.28, Aero Ivy, 5  2nd 5/1
Romford BAGS, 20.43, Ella Ella, 6(*)  4th 4/1
Nottingham BAGS, 21.07, Tiger Woofs, 2 6th 6/1
Nottingham BAGS, 21.22, Farloe Hobbs, 3(*) 1st 5/2- LOST
Romford BAGS, 21.29, Xaar Arapaho, 5(*) 5th 4/1
Nottingham BAGS, 21.52, Creamery Mist, 3(*) 1st 3/1- LOST
Nottingham BAGS, 22.07, Shelbourne Rene, 6 (*) 4th 2/5
27 selections 8 lost (Sorry no screen shot)

Here are today's.
Perry Barr BAGS, 11.57, Big Difference, 2(*)
Nottingham BAGS, 12.04, Yort, 4(*)
Perry Barr BAGS, 12.27, Upton Rogue, 3
Perry Barr BAGS, 12.58, Monkspath Evie, 5(*)
Perry Barr BAGS, 13.27, Goulane Ketchup, 5
Crayford BAGS, 15.07, Kilcullane Girl, 3(*)
Crayford BAGS, 15.28, Clohur Cross, 3
Sunderland BAGS, 15.38, Knockmant Echo, 5
Crayford BAGS, 16.08, Trumpers Maggie, 1
Crayford BAGS, 16.48, Tuttles Polly, 4
Sunderland BAGS, 18.04, Tornaroy Tracy, 3
Sunderland BAGS, 18.18, Leaha Draoi, 3
Newcastle BAGS, 18.28, Ninas Daylami, 4
Sheffield BAGS, 18.39, Billys Rebel, 3
Hove BAGS, 18.49, Ocarolans Road, 5
Newcastle BAGS, 19.01, Clips Ruby, 6
Sheffield BAGS, 19.11, Inca Slippy, 6(*)
Sheffield BAGS, 19.27, Paramount Bev, 6
Hove BAGS, 19.53, Monkspath Kiki, 5
Sheffield BAGS, 19.58, Bunny Face, 5
Sheffield BAGS, 20.14, Stepaside Swift, 1
Hove BAGS, 21.12, Raithby Roger, 2
Sheffield BAGS, 21.17, Magna Fortune, 2
Newcastle BAGS, 21.22, Commander Jack, 6

Download the session.xml here (normally available by 10am mon-Fri)

Normal daily settings.
Stake 2.00
Stop Win: 2.00
Stop Loss: 16.00
running loss -20.00

I set the Grey Horse bot price range from 1 -7.

9. Millionaire's Row - Win Selections started 13/11/2006

This is a win system (test) that me and a friend have been working on for some time. Just so you know I let him select every morning so although we created the system together he is the one really refining it. Click Here to see the results so far.
You can now get these selections Saturday by signing up here:

Yesterday: (5h April)
Daily Double
4.35 Weth: Brave Rebellion 1st 1/3 / Lord Collingwood 2nd 9/1
Points -6.72

Daily Back Nap: (stared 15/02/2007)
4.35 Weth: Brave Rebellion 1st 1/3
Points -1.78

Daily Lay Nap (stared 25/02/2007)
No selection
Points - 20.92

Double Take (started 22/03/2007) (£6.00 on the lay £4.00 on the back)
No Selection
Back =
Lay =
Winnings to date = £25.57

Millionaire Double Selection.
14.10 Exet: Millennium Accord EP 3.15 /Nodforms Victoria EP 2.5

Millionaire Daily Nap
No Qualifier Today

Millionaire Daily Lay
We are not happy with this System so are stopping it until improvements can be made.

Millionaire Double Take: 40pts Win /60pts Lay 2nd Favourite
No Qualifyer today.

The idea is to to back the favourite and lay the second best priced horse before the off.
We are hoping that most of the time the lay should not change but if it does then it is always the best priced horse (lay side) after the favourite.
Our stake will be £10 split 4.00 on the back and 6.00 on the lay. Of course you could do this how you want but we suggest you put slightly more on the lay to cover any loses on the back bet because we feel the lay will lose far less often.

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Have a good days racing.


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